IMHO the best option to westernize whould be when you unlock the 2 idea groups, which enable you to spend monarch points (admin and diplo), so you can lag behind on tech without wasting momentum, while keeping military as up-to-date as possible (and it is possible to be on par with Europe even in Chinese group).- 80.251.112.198 23:45, 20 June 2015 (CEST) What *is* westernization? Many interesting countries have to struggle to survive. Most non-western countries are very far from Europe, and have to work to be able to westernize at all. Mindcorrosive ( talk) 19:27, 30 August 2013 (CEST) I can't imagine a situation where it would be acceptable to westernize at 3-3-3. Thus in the meantime while waiting to fall behind to be able to wersternize, you can build up your economy, trade and military potential. For me it makes more sense to get to at least 5 in administrative and diplomatic tech, to unlock the first buildings. Depending on the nation you start with, other types of monarch point can be very useful in the beginning (coring, stability, WE, changing culture).

There's very little to spend military points early on, so it makes sense to get a military idea first to get started with the national ideas. Unless you have a use for so much monarch points, it makes sense to invest in at least one level in administrative tech to unlock the first idea block. Or should one westernize when one's troops no longer compete against western ones? KaTiON ( talk) 18:23, 30 August 2013 (CEST) Is it better to westernize as soon as possible? For example in 1444 leaving all techs at 3-3-3 and wait for other nations to go 5-4-4? ~ Meneth ( talk) 10:30, 2 September 2013 (CEST) When to Westernize? Much better, though some 2nd person segments were still left in. In particular it makes excessive reference to the reader, while articles should strive to keep a third-person narrative.

18 Requirements for Colonialism are wrongĪ rewrite is needed, as the page does not currently conform to Project:Style.

17 Why I think that province ID and tag order doesn't matter for the spawning of an institution.

15 Using anchor in links to 'capital area'.

13 What about colonies and trade companies?.

12 What does 'has a port' mean in spread reasons?.

11 Spread rate for Manufacturies is incorrect.

10 Spread rate for Global Trade with trade power is incorrect.

4 Could someone please check/confirm how much monarch power it costs to Westernise as a Horde?.

Eu4 colonialism institution spawn